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Another busy fortnight for Sailfish OS. Community meetups like the one in Bremen remind us how important it is to stay connected. If you are organizing one, let us know so we can help spread the word.

Sailfish OS 5.0 rollout is now underway. Fixes and improvements continue, with bigger updates headed toward 5.1.

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Happy Easter from all of us at Jolla. Enjoy the time with your friends and loved ones.

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@taketwo @SrMono @neons @WeAreFairphone And your point is?

They already do work with Murena. Keep in mind Fairphone is still a very small company, compared to others, with limited resources. They can't do it all on their own. And each Fairphone sold is contributing to the idea there is a way to do things differently than what happens now.

Until things like #jolla or #VollaOS and #ubuntutouch gain significant traction (especially UT needs a revival), they are our best chance.

I am using my @jolla #SailfishOS #Jolla #C2 phone for a few days now as my main daily driver (nearly since the day I have received it) and I need to my #iPhone only for a few things anymore (I am leaving it at home already though).

A more detailed report will come in a few days and I still might come across deal breakers, but so far: While there are a number of unexpected shortcomings, overall the experience so far was a lot better than I had expected.

This is the first #Linux based device I am testing that really seems to have the potential for a lot of people to get rid of #Google and #Apple - if they actually want.

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Changed my mind. I decided to install Sailfish on the Sony Xperia 10 III.

It was plain sailing. 😃

I guess, things only become difficult when things go wrong, and things went very smoothly.

In brief, I unlocked the bootloader, and downloaded Android 12 from Sony. I flashed that to the Xperia (11 wasn't available). I performed all the usual 'phone stuff, which worked. I then flashed the 'phone with Sailfish using fastboot.

The same things are still working.

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@Bnerde
Vom Hersteller ( #Jolla ) gibt es das leider nur für ein paar Sony-Modelle und das vor Kurzem vorgestellte Jolla C2 (docs.sailfishos.org/Support/Su).

Ansonsten gibt es die sog. Community Ports, bei denen Freiwillige #SailfishOS auf eine Menge Geräte portiert haben (forum.sailfishos.org/t/communi). Das S5 neo scheint aber leider nicht dabei zu sein.

Jolla ist leider zu klein, um Anbieter wie Samsung auf ihre Seite ziehen zu können.

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@OpenComputeDesign @s31bz @light @admitsWrongIfProven

good feedback! i think #furiphone has support for #android apps (#waydroid iirc?) and back in the day so did #jolla / #sailfish - i think you can get those on a #sony these days

also i've run android-x86 in vm and its alright but idk what those apps are gonna try. supposedly only finance apps are allowed by google to check for a rooted phone but ... who knows peabee.substack.com/p/everyone

Pea Bee · Everyone knows what apps you useBy peabee

@pinocio
Ja. Ich verwende seit ca. 10 Jahren nichts anderes und man muss schon hin und wieder mal etwas mehr tun, aber "tägl. Baustellen" eher nicht.

Man muss halt bedenken dass Apple wahrscheinlich mehr Sekretärinnen beschäftigt als #Jolla, das Unternehmen hinter #SailfishOS, insgesamt an Mitarbeitern hat.

Umreiß' doch mal was Du so tagtäglich an Apps und Funktionen auf Deinem Smartphone nutzt. Dann kann ich versuchen potenzielle Hürden mit Sailfish OS abzuschätzen.

Life with Sailfish OS, day 1, hour 6-12

Installed Whisperfish manually to skip the scary-looking StoreMan thing, and managed to set it up as a secondary device. Messages got passed back and forth, so with reservations, this is possible without resorting to Android compatibility.

Drive to the village to pick up a parcel, only to realize that the SMS with the pickup code is on the Android device at home. Yep, reminder to self: SMS'es don't live on the SIM card anymore. Not in a long, long time. It was a nice sideways winter-driving weather though so didn't mind the back and forth too much - not at all actually.

Discover that the integrated Nextcloud support (which appears to do calendars and contacts just fine) doesn't include automatic uploading for photos. One can manually share photos to Nextcloud, but you need to manually type the remote folder name. Apparently automating the upload is something you can script yourself if you first install SailSync from OpenRepos. Assuming you make that leap of faith, with everything it entails. And are willing to tinker with shell scripts.

It's a rather petty issue in the big picture of things but it also happens to be one of the most important features for me, outside the absolutely critical comms + banking department.

I'm sure I'll tinker more some other day, but back on Android for now. Like I concluded in an earlier toot last week or so, I think it this could be used as a daily driver but it'd require sacrifices. Life on desktop Linux is so easy these days, I've gotten a bit lazy.
Certainly a de-googled Android would be a far, far easier thing to go with.

Life with Sailfish OS, day 1, hour 1

Having gotten my banking app to run on Sailfish by downgrading to a slightly older version, starting an experiment to use Jolla C2 as a daily driver. I've spent a few evenings tinkering with this, hunting, installing and configuring necessary apps etc. What follows is random observations from the first hour after swapping the SIM over from my real daily driver (Nokia XR20) and letting the reality sink in:

Obligatory disclaimer: this is not the intended use of the C2 phone - it's a "reference phone", aimed at developers. So we need to give the hardware a break. But, as an observation, the protective cover doesn't sit properly on the button side, making the use of the main lock/unlock button annoying. It looks and feels like an ill-fitting condom, really. I might end up ditching the cover, this is not a phone I would take to the garage anyhow.

There are zero swipe options or actions for the keyboard. In fact there are zero options for configuring the keyboard at all. What I immediately miss are two things:
- moving the cursor by swiping over space bar
- number row on the keyboard, I prefer it always there
The latter is one of those tiny details that make up ones preferences, I expect to be in the minority wrt this. The former is going to be painful.

The default search engine in the Sailfish OS native browser is Google.

Let that sink in for a moment.

This is by far the biggest WTF so far, a slap in the face, really. For a phone whose raison d'etre is to be NOT FROM GOOGLE, and advertised with a privacy edge, this is a pretty terrible blunder. The default alternative search engines are just as bad, and there's no obvious way to install or configure alternatives from the browser.

Another dive into forum.sailfishos.org reveals that once you visit a search engine (such as www.quant.com), it magically appears in the search engine preferences. Which is kinda neat, but totally undiscoverable for the new user.

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@elbekai

Ich bezweifle, dass das der Grund ist. Viele der meistgenutzten Apps sind sowieso kostenlos und auf einer so unbekannten Plattform stehen die Chancen die Kosten für die Entwicklung einer App wieder einzuspielen nicht wirklich gut.

Hätte #Jolla ein Budget wie es Google oder Apple haben, könnten sie daran mit PR-Maßnahmen etwas ändern, aber mit kostenpflichtigen Apps Bekanntheit generieren dürfte illusorisch sein.

@MrGR

Uteliaisuuttani vaihdoin tyttäreni hylkäämään puhelimeen käyttöjärjestelmäksi supisuomalaisen Jollan. Ihan heittämällä ei mennyt ja käyttölogiikassa moni juttu menee toisin kuin Androidissa, joten vähän täytyy totutella. Tässä on visuaalisesti jotain samaa kuin Windows Phonessa - mutta hyvässä mielessä.

Periaatteessa amerikkalainen Android olisi siis näin korvattavissa kotimaisella vaihtoehdolla. Android-softat myöskin toimivat.

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One of the things I ordered yesterday was a @jolla C2 phone.
It has 4G (No 5G), you have to pay €4.99 for updates after the first year, and it has no NFC

It's a pure Linux (#Sailfish) device from within the #EU. I loved my #Nokia N900 and N9 despite the small app ecosystem but the #Jolla has an Android VM to run many Android apps

Some of us need to prove how well this stuff works to be get mass adoption of alternative open technologies not subject to #enshittification

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