@GabeMoralesVR
#IRC and #Mailinglists with their problems, [and they both have many] are at least #indexable and #searchable to the point that I could propable make a #supercut of #LKML folks shouting at each other...

• I mean they already to so in the code of the #kernel!

@BrodieOnLinux @qdot I find it weird to see #FLOSS #devs use an #InformationBlackhole like #discord which combines all the disadvantages of #MailingList, #IRC, #XMPP, #Matrix and even #MicrosoftTeams and #Signal without any redeeming qualities of any of those, like a functioning search & logging.

• Like the #LKML is kinda shit in terms of UX but at least there are searchable indexes for it so one can just point at a specific message & comment wthout having to be granted access to it.

Not to mention that discord is #ableist af by literally preventing the use of #Screenreader-friendly browsers such as #Lynx and #dillo to work, blocking @torproject / #Tor users and explicitly banning the use of it's #API to build better clients.

• Not even a #paid-for exception is offered, thus making integration into even paid-for tools like #HootSuite not legally possible!

@nixCraft really, #AIslop is attacking the #LKML?

@debby that assumes @protonprivacy actually cares about #Privacy, which they evidently don't, cuz otherwise they'd never even #log or #request any #PII to begin with and instead offer their Services via @torproject / #Tor as #OnionService…

• Not to mention they fuck around with customers' #eMails, thus having prevented people from contributing to the #LKML in the past...

To me this isn't a big loss, but a conditionless surrender in favour of better competitiors like @monocles and even @Stuxhost for that matter...

Wenn ihr ansonsten auf der #LKML schreibt, mein Rat: Nur über so was wie Firefox Relay schreiben / Adresse im Mailclient dahin modifizieren (bin mir gerade nicht sicher, ob das dann durchgeht), weil die Webscraper des Mailarchivs euch nachher Spam bescheren.

@bamboombibbitybop for real?

Cuz If I look up his account it says "Account banned by moderator!" ...

• Damn.. He quit the LKML...

Seriously, that makes two folks that I do care who went dark / got yeeted...

2/ For completeness, as it's easy to miss in Kent's long post:

Kent refuses to send a public apology for a remark to a mm developer that lead to the escalation to the COC. Search for "you should probably send him an apology" in his Patreon post to find a good place to start.

Also note that Kent resurrected the #LKML thread with the remark yesterday; new messages start here: https://lore.kernel.org/all/vvulqfvftctokjzy3ookgmx2ja73uuekvby3xcc2quvptudw7e@7qj4gyaw2zfo/t/#u

@bigolifacks and that makes it worse than #NSAbook or #Shitter because those can at least be scraped, archived, exported and somewhat transfered.

• Whereas #Discord refuses to provide any method that is workable for doing so, as it combines the worst things of #Slack, #MicrosoftTeams, the #LKML or any big #MailingList and #IRC with 0 of their benefits.

I'd rather #SelfHost @zulip, #JitsiMeet with a #VoIP-Bridge, @nextcloud + @collabora than use #Discord because those don't prevent one from sharing content or actually #archiving and #exporting conversations.

• Thus Discord is objectively evidenced as irredeemably bad because it's worse than #ICQ - even in the #ToS!

@mike #Newsletter ≠ #Mailinglist.

#Newsletters are monodirectional whereas #MailingLists are more like chatrooms with more characters per messsage than #IRC and usually a configured & searchable #archive.

For example the #LKML of @linux is a mailinglist and completely different from @linuxfoundation 's #Newsletters which are mostly about #PressReleases and #Announcements...

@davidrevoy I do recommend you to open up an #issue with the #LKML if this issue is also reproducible on other distros with the same or newer #kernel.

Your post does show that you did your due diligence and found the culprit that caused that problem...

https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/admin-guide/reporting-issues.html