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@rakoo @cy yeah, tho @thunderbird nowadays has #OpenPGP / #GPG - support built in ( #Enigmail ) and that just works.

  • But @delta / #deltaChat does make things way easier for "#TechIlliterate #Normies" and provides them with a familiar #UI & #UX from other #Messengers whilst also not requiring "yet another #server / #service" to be spun up, which is a major no-no in many organizations, espechally #businesses.

  • Whereas DeltaChat using #eMail as it's backbone infrastructure works fine, and that is an important point for it like #business use [i.e. #Germany] where all business communications have to be archived for at least 10 years for tax auditability reasons, and the whole #MailArchival issue has been "solved" by multiple providers and solutions so it makes sense to just do a +chat suffix, filter said messages and have them in the same #inbox as all other eMails.

I just wished #Thunderbird would also support displaying such chats similar to deltaChat to provide a #unified experience across platforms...

Still now, #Reddit is some kind of place of good responses and less misinformation. I wonder if it's the case because simple people don't know how it works. Maybe UI/UX is not everything. Sometimes software needs a sinking-in to use it, it excludes a range of spam and so.

Ya, ya voting out feature and community, sure, but still, I have the feeling that this could work out well. Also in terms of #Fedi or #messengers. If software is usable by a 5yo, you get 5yo-cognitive-lvl replies.

Thoughts?

Open Letter to Meta: Support True Messaging Interoperability with XMPP
The European Digital Markets Act (DMA) is designed to break down walled gardens and enforce messaging interoperability. As a designated gatekeeper, Meta—controlling WhatsApp and Messenger—must comply. However, its current proposal falls short, risking further entrenchment of its dominance rather than fostering genuine competition.
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Meta Has Already Used XMPP—Why Not Now?
WhatsApp was built on an XMPP-based server, and Meta has previously supported XMPP in Facebook Messenger. The protocol is already battle-tested at scale. Furthermore, Meta is embracing federation for Threads with ActivityPub, proving that interoperability works when it serves Meta’s strategic interests.
If Threads can federate, so can WhatsApp and Messenger.

#^https://xmpp.org/announcements/open-letter-meta-dma/

#WhatsApp #XMPP #messengers @Russia
xmpp.orgXMPPXMPP - The universal messaging standard

Signal vs WhatsApp: Signal is still the most private by a long way

Users adding an incorrect user by mistake to a group is no reflection at all on the security of any app. This happens across all apps, as the user is the issue, not the app.

I had long ago deleted the WhatsApp app off my phone, mainly because of ...continues

See gadgeteer.co.za/signal-vs-what

GadgeteerZA · Signal vs WhatsApp: Signal is still the most private by a long wayUsers adding an incorrect user by mistake to a group is no reflection at all on the security of any app. This happens across all apps, as the user is the

Therapists of the fediverse: how do you communicate safely with clients or other professionals privacy-wise?

How do you organise this communication in a way so that no-one - including police - can steal it?

Are you using encrypted computers and #email or #messengers with #e2e #encryption? - If so, what messengers or method are you using?

Are you storing documents in a safe? If so, where and what brand?

What is feasible, what is practical?

@anelki I do agree to some extent.

#PGP/MIME & #XMPP+#OMEMO keep the coversation contents secure, but merely encrypting messages is just 10% of #ComSec!

Like: If you use some garbage Android 8.1 device that never got security updates then you can use #Signal all day and that won't protect ya ass!

none of them will refuse to comply with a duely submitted subopena, otherwise @Mer__edith would already be in prison.

Twitterthaddeus e. grugq on Twitter“I’m gonna tell you a secret about “logless VPNs” — they don’t exist. Noone is going to risk jail for your $5/mo https://t.co/Q2aOQJkG4g”
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@tejan the only correct way to deal with this is using proper #E2EE like #PGP/MIME & anonymous eMail accounts.

  • Providers can only #decrypt and #read for what they have the keys!

Same goes with #Messengers, which is why I only recommend #XMPP+#OMEMO (i.e. @monocles / #monoclesChat & @gajim / #gajim ) & PGP/MIME (i.e. @delta / #deltaChat & @thunderbird / #Thunderbird), because unlike #proprietary #SingleVendor & #SingoeProvider solutions, they offer #SelfCustody so even if a provider is cooperative or served a #subopena or got theor equipment seized, they can't decrypt the contents!

Signal introduces convenient “call links” for private group chats up to 50 people with creating a group

Users can control who joins the secure group chats by requiring admin approval when a new join request is created, so the host can approve or decline them.

Nice to see such chats also have features like raising a hand button, emoji reactions, enh ...continues

See gadgeteer.co.za/signal-introdu

GadgeteerZA · Signal introduces convenient “call links” for private group chats up to 50 people with creating a groupUsers can control who joins the secure group chats by requiring admin approval when a new join request is created, so the host can approve or decline them.

#InstantMessaging / #Messengers picks of the day:

➡️ @delta - Free open source end-to-end encrypted chat app powered by email

➡️ @joinjabber - Helping non-techy people sign up on XMPP/Jabber

➡️ @xmpp - Designs & maintains the XMPP federated open messaging standard

➡️ @briar - E2EE P2P messaging app, works online through Tor & locally on Bluetooth

➡️ @Jami - E2EE P2P calling & messaging app

➡️ @matrix - Federated FOSS communications platform

➡️ @signalapp - Centralised messaging app

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#Telegram has disclosed criminal data to authorities for years, Durov says

Context: Telegram has recently changed its privacy policy to state it will share collected user information (such as phone number, IP address, etc) with law enforcement when presented with a legal order.

For years prior to this change (and the arrest of Durov), Telegram has claimed it does not share data with governments/law enforcement.

#privacy #messengers

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therecord.mediaTelegram has disclosed criminal data to authorities for years, Durov says“My previous post may have seemed to announce a major shift in how Telegram works. But in reality, little has changed,” founder Pavel Durov said in a new post explaining the messaging platform's relationship to law enforcement.

Howard Williams, thirteen year old delivery boy for Shreveport, La. Drug Company. He works from 9:30 A.M. to 10:30 P.M.; has been here three months. Goes to the Red Light every day and night. Says that the company could not keep other messenger boys; they work them so hard. See Hine report on Messengers. Location: Shreveport, Louisiana.

#HowardWilliams #Shreveport #LaDrugCompany #Messengers #Louisiana #BartupStreet #Edwardian #America #American #Photography #LewisHine #ChildLabour #ChildLabor

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Fifteen year old delivery boy for Linders Drug Store, which is located on the edge of the Reservation, Griffin St. The boy has just returned from a trip to one of these houses. He works from 8 A.M. to 8 P.M. (See Hine Report on Messengers, Texas.) Location: Dallas, Texas.

#LindersDrugStore #GriffinSt #Messengers #Texas #Dallas #LindersDrugs #GriffinStreet #Photography #LewisHine #ChildLabour #ChildLabor

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Fifteen year old delivery boy for Linders Drug Store, which is located on the edge of the Reservation, Griffin Street. The boy has just returned from a trip to these Houses. He works from 8 A.M. to 8 P.M. (See Hine Report on Messengers, Texas.) Location: Dallas, Texas.

#LindersDrugStore #GriffinStreet #Houses #Messengers #Texas #Dallas #America #LindersPharmacy #LewisHine #Photography #LewisHine #ChildLabour #ChildLabor

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Percy Neville, eleven year old messenger boy. Messenger boy #6 for Mackay Telegraph Company. Says he has been messenger for different companied i.e., companies for four years. Goes to the Reservation every day. See Hine report on Messengers. Location: Shreveport, Louisiana.

#PercyNeville #Messenger #Messengers #Shreveport #Louisiana #American #PercyNevilles #Photography #LewisHine #ChildLabour #ChildLabor

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