George<p>Put it this way.<br><a href="https://mastodon.art/tags/democracy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>democracy</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.art/tags/notdemocracy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>notdemocracy</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.art/tags/ushistory" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>ushistory</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.art/tags/usatoday" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>usatoday</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.art/tags/apartheid" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>apartheid</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.art/tags/enslavement" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>enslavement</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.art/tags/Indigenous" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Indigenous</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.art/tags/colonialism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>colonialism</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.art/tags/freedom" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>freedom</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.art/tags/notfreedom" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>notfreedom</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.art/tags/oligarchy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>oligarchy</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.art/tags/BernieSanders" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>BernieSanders</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.art/tags/plutocracy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>plutocracy</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.art/tags/kleptocracy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>kleptocracy</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.art/tags/hegemony" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>hegemony</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.art/tags/dictatorship" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>dictatorship</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.art/tags/authoritariancapitalism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>authoritariancapitalism</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.art/tags/JasonHickel" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>JasonHickel</span></a> <br><a href="https://jasonhickel.substack.com/p/no-the-united-states-is-not-a-beacon" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">jasonhickel.substack.com/p/no-</span><span class="invisible">the-united-states-is-not-a-beacon</span></a></p>
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Strypey<p>Here's one for everyone who enjoyed all the pull quotes from Jason Hickel's interview on Tech Won't Save Us.</p><p><a href="https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/tags/TIL" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>TIL</span></a> that <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@jasonhickel" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>jasonhickel</span></a></span> has a fediverse account!</p><p><a href="https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/tags/JasonHickel" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>JasonHickel</span></a></p>
Strypey<p>"I think that democracy is key here.</p><p>Let me first just back up and point to something else, which is that when you say these things, people are like: Oh, that sounds like a totalitarian economy where you have some kind of shadowy elites kind of planning things. I’m like, mate, we actually already live in a totalitarian economy, where capital controls what gets produced."</p><p><a href="https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/tags/JasonHickel" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>JasonHickel</span></a>, 2024</p><p><a href="https://techwontsave.us/episode/226_how_degrowth_will_reshape_technology_w_jason_hickel" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">techwontsave.us/episode/226_ho</span><span class="invisible">w_degrowth_will_reshape_technology_w_jason_hickel</span></a></p><p>(1/2)</p><p><a href="https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/tags/podcasts" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>podcasts</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/tags/TechWontSaveUs" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>TechWontSaveUs</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/tags/DeGrowth" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>DeGrowth</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/tags/democracy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>democracy</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/tags/totalitarianism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>totalitarianism</span></a></p>
Strypey<p>"We’re told that capitalism is almost synonymous with innovation. And I really feel that’s not true ... We live in a shadow of the world that we could live in.</p><p>We could have much ... more durable products. We could have better public transit systems that are high quality, efficient, integrated ... So, we could have much more efficient buildings. Our appliances could be more efficient."</p><p><a href="https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/tags/JasonHickel" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>JasonHickel</span></a>, 2024</p><p><a href="https://techwontsave.us/episode/226_how_degrowth_will_reshape_technology_w_jason_hickel" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">techwontsave.us/episode/226_ho</span><span class="invisible">w_degrowth_will_reshape_technology_w_jason_hickel</span></a></p><p>(1/2)</p><p><a href="https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/tags/podcasts" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>podcasts</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/tags/TechWontSaveUs" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>TechWontSaveUs</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/tags/DeGrowth" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>DeGrowth</span></a></p>
Strypey<p>"If you’re using money to mobilize a bunch of additional public production, you’re competing with the existing forms of production that are also demanding labor and resources and factories in the economy.</p><p>And that’s going to cause inflation unless you reduce demand elsewhere in the economy and that’s precisely what degrowth provides an important answer to is we can scale down less necessary forms of production, thus liberating resources ..."</p><p><a href="https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/tags/JasonHickel" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>JasonHickel</span></a>, 2024</p><p><a href="https://techwontsave.us/episode/226_how_degrowth_will_reshape_technology_w_jason_hickel" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">techwontsave.us/episode/226_ho</span><span class="invisible">w_degrowth_will_reshape_technology_w_jason_hickel</span></a></p><p>(3/3)</p>
Strypey<p>"Corporations don't produce money. They produce things, and it's ridiculous for us to say that we need to grow production ... of cruise ships, and 'AI', and private jets ... to increase production of public transit and building insulation, or, public health care ...</p><p>You don't need to increase production of bad things to increase production of good things."</p><p><a href="https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/tags/JasonHickel" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>JasonHickel</span></a>, 2024</p><p><a href="https://techwontsave.us/episode/226_how_degrowth_will_reshape_technology_w_jason_hickel" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">techwontsave.us/episode/226_ho</span><span class="invisible">w_degrowth_will_reshape_technology_w_jason_hickel</span></a></p><p>(1/?)</p><p><a href="https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/tags/podcasts" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>podcasts</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/tags/TechWontSaveUs" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>TechWontSaveUs</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/tags/DeGrowth" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>DeGrowth</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/tags/PublicFinance" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>PublicFinance</span></a></p>
Strypey<p>"People think, oh, you just want to slow down the entire economy and this is obviously going to leave us in poverty. But degrowth actually calls for, let's identify very energy intensive and materially intensive forms of production that are also socially unnecessary. Like mostly are organised around capital accumulation and elite consumption, etc, etc."</p><p><a href="https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/tags/JasonHickel" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>JasonHickel</span></a>, 2024</p><p><a href="https://techwontsave.us/episode/226_how_degrowth_will_reshape_technology_w_jason_hickel" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">techwontsave.us/episode/226_ho</span><span class="invisible">w_degrowth_will_reshape_technology_w_jason_hickel</span></a></p><p>(1/2)</p><p><a href="https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/tags/podcasts" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>podcasts</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/tags/TechWontSaveUs" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>TechWontSaveUs</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/tags/DeGrowth" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>DeGrowth</span></a></p>
it's kat! 🇵🇸✊<p>this, from jason hickel, says it all. <br><a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/uspol" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>uspol</span></a> <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/politics" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>politics</span></a> <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/jasonhickel" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>jasonhickel</span></a> <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/trump" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>trump</span></a> <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/liberalism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>liberalism</span></a></p>
anlomedad<p>From 1 month ago: <a href="https://youtube.com/watch?v=6_3j3sHP6eg" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">youtube.com/watch?v=6_3j3sHP6e</span><span class="invisible">g</span></a> </p><p>In The first few minutes<br><a href="https://climatejustice.social/tags/JasonHickel" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>JasonHickel</span></a> explains why capitalism is fundamentally undemocratic and how this makes stopping the ecol-climate clusterfck unrealistic. </p><p>I don't quite see how democracy could solve it on time – because humans are humans🤷♀️.<br>But Jason's perspective is a real eyeopener!</p><p>Haven't watched it all yet. Might add some more notes once I did.</p>
Jack of all trades<p>I have more gripes with the paper (like no mention of fossil fuels, green revolution or technology in general), but that's for another day.</p><p>I'm not even saying I'm disagreeing with most of their conclusions or framings, but examples like these show a poor scientific rigor.</p><p>I lost a lot of respect for Jason Hickel after reading this paper.</p><p>Makes you wonder if his other work also rests on such shaky ground.</p><p>8/8</p><p><a href="https://mas.to/tags/degrowth" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>degrowth</span></a> <a href="https://mas.to/tags/JasonHickel" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>JasonHickel</span></a></p>
anlomedad<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@claasgefroi" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>claasgefroi</span></a></span> <br>Kaja Kallas - Estonia, ich schätze mal, auch neoliberal?<br>Egal. <br>Give me Kallis anytime, not Kallas! <br>Kallis 🙌 Kallis🙌 Kallis🙌 !<br> <br>" <a href="https://climatejustice.social/tags/Degrowth" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Degrowth</span></a> can work — here’s how science can help " by <a href="https://climatejustice.social/tags/JasonHickel" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>JasonHickel</span></a> , <a href="https://climatejustice.social/tags/GiorgosKallis" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>GiorgosKallis</span></a> , <a href="https://climatejustice.social/tags/JuliaSteinberger" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>JuliaSteinberger</span></a> <a href="https://climatejustice.social/tags/DianaUergeVorsatz" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>DianaUergeVorsatz</span></a> et al <br>2022:<br><a href="https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-04412-x" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://www.</span><span class="ellipsis">nature.com/articles/d41586-022</span><span class="invisible">-04412-x</span></a></p>
Jan Penfrat<p>"The richest 1% of people are responsible for as much carbon output as the poorest 66%, research from <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://earthstream.social/@oxfam" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>oxfam</span></a></span> shows."</p><p><a href="https://eupolicy.social/tags/Economist" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Economist</span></a> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@jasonhickel" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>jasonhickel</span></a></span> argues: “We have to think about the rich in terms of how much they are depleting the remaining <a href="https://eupolicy.social/tags/carbon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>carbon</span></a> budget. Right now, <a href="https://eupolicy.social/tags/millionaires" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>millionaires</span></a> alone are on track to burn 72% of the remaining carbon budget for 1.5C. The purchasing power of the very rich needs to be curtailed." <a href="https://eupolicy.social/tags/oxfam" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>oxfam</span></a> <a href="https://eupolicy.social/tags/JasonHickel" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>JasonHickel</span></a> <a href="https://eupolicy.social/tags/climatecrisis" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>climatecrisis</span></a></p><p><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/nov/22/who-are-polluter-elite-how-can-we-tackle-carbon-inequality" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://www.</span><span class="ellipsis">theguardian.com/environment/20</span><span class="invisible">23/nov/22/who-are-polluter-elite-how-can-we-tackle-carbon-inequality</span></a></p>
Jack of all trades<p>"Green growth scenarios play loose with science, assume incredibly unjust arrangements, and gamble with the future of humanity—and all of life on Earth—simply to maintain ever-increasing levels of aggregate output in high-income countries." -- Jason Hickel</p><p><a href="https://monthlyreview.org/2023/07/01/on-technology-and-degrowth/" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">monthlyreview.org/2023/07/01/o</span><span class="invisible">n-technology-and-degrowth/</span></a></p><p><a href="https://mas.to/tags/GreenGrowth" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>GreenGrowth</span></a> <a href="https://mas.to/tags/capitalism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>capitalism</span></a> <a href="https://mas.to/tags/socialism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>socialism</span></a> <a href="https://mas.to/tags/degrowth" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>degrowth</span></a> <a href="https://mas.to/tags/JasonHickel" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>JasonHickel</span></a></p>
Doc Edward Morbius ⭕<p><strong>Reversing the Freight Train: The Case for Degrowth</strong></p><blockquote><p>... Walt Rostow, who was, along with Kuznets, one of the field’s most influential early thinkers, understood growth as the foundation of the postwar world order. <em>His Stages of Economic Growth</em>, published in 1960, was unsubtly subtitled ‘A Non-Communist Manifesto’. According to what is now called the ‘Rostovian’ account, growth wasn’t just the solution to domestic instability in advanced industrial economies and the remedy for the backwardness of ‘traditional’ (non-industrial) societies; it was also the antidote to socialism. There was no need for revolution: the managed markets of postwar capitalism would eventually, peacefully, deliver the fruits of modernisation – a non-violent, self-reinforcing alternative to expropriation and collectivisation. It wasn’t clear, however, how traditional societies would respond to the inevitable disruption associated with integration into the global economy. ‘How,’ Rostow asked, ‘should the traditional society react to the intrusion of a more advanced power: with cohesion, promptness and vigour, like the Japanese; by making a virtue of fecklessness, like the oppressed Irish of the 18th century; by slowly and reluctantly altering the traditional society, like the Chinese?’ ...</p></blockquote><p><a href="https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v44/n16/geoff-mann/reversing-the-freight-train" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://www.</span><span class="ellipsis">lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v44/n16/ge</span><span class="invisible">off-mann/reversing-the-freight-train</span></a></p><p>This reviews three recent books:</p><ul><li><p><em>Tomorrow’s Economy</em>: A Guide to Creating Healthy Green Growth <br>by Per Espen Stoknes.<br>MIT, 360 pp., £15.99, April, 978 0 262 54385 9</p></li><li><p><em>Less Is More: How Degrowth Will Save the World</em> <br>by Jason Hickel.<br>Windmill, 318 pp., £10.99, February 2021, 978 1 78609 121 5</p></li><li><p><em>Post Growth: Life after Capitalism</em> <br>by Tim Jackson.<br>Polity, 228 pp., £14.99, March 2021, 978 1 5095 4252 9</p></li><li><p><em>The Case for Degrowth</em> <br>by Giorgos Kallis, Susan Paulson, Giacomo D’Alisa and Federico Demaria.<br>Polity, 140 pp., £9.99, September 2020, 978 1 5095 3563 7</p></li></ul><p>Archive / Paywall: <a href="https://archive.ph/2022.08.10-151410/https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v44/n16/geoff-mann/reversing-the-freight-train" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">archive.ph/2022.08.10-151410/h</span><span class="invisible">ttps://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v44/n16/geoff-mann/reversing-the-freight-train</span></a></p><p>HN Discussion: <a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32416815" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3</span><span class="invisible">2416815</span></a></p><p><a href="https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v44/n16/geoff-mann/reversing-the-freight-train" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://www.</span><span class="ellipsis">lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v44/n16/ge</span><span class="invisible">off-mann/reversing-the-freight-train</span></a></p><p><a href="https://toot.cat/tags/Growth" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Growth</span></a> <a href="https://toot.cat/tags/Degrowth" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Degrowth</span></a> <a href="https://toot.cat/tags/LimitsToGrowth" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>LimitsToGrowth</span></a> <a href="https://toot.cat/tags/SimonKuznets" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>SimonKuznets</span></a> <a href="https://toot.cat/tags/WaltRostow" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>WaltRostow</span></a> <a href="https://toot.cat/tags/PerEspenStoknes" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>PerEspenStoknes</span></a> <a href="https://toot.cat/tags/TimJackson" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>TimJackson</span></a> <a href="https://toot.cat/tags/JasonHickel" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>JasonHickel</span></a> <a href="https://toot.cat/tags/GiorgosKallis" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>GiorgosKallis</span></a> <a href="https://toot.cat/tags/SusanPaulson" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>SusanPaulson</span></a> <a href="https://toot.cat/tags/GiacomoDAlisa" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>GiacomoDAlisa</span></a> <a href="https://toot.cat/tags/FedericoDemaria" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>FedericoDemaria</span></a> <a href="https://toot.cat/tags/Books" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Books</span></a> <a href="https://toot.cat/tags/BookReview" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>BookReview</span></a> <a href="https://toot.cat/tags/LRB" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>LRB</span></a> <a href="https://toot.cat/tags/LondonReview" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>LondonReview</span></a></p>
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